Ep #113 “How Great Leadership Starts with Character” with Hampton Dortch
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About Hampton
Hampton Dortch is the host of the 'Wake Up and Lead' Leadership Podcast. He is Wildsparq’s Sales Development Leader, which essentially means he’s one of the guys responsible for finding potential Wildsparq users all over the country. Hampton believes in the mission of Wildsparq and has a heart for companies that care about their people, their legacy, and the impact they will make in the world.
A graduate of Samford University, Hampton was a Marketing major, which has helped him greatly as he seeks to make connections and share the benefits of the Wildsparq strategy each and every day. He says his greatest accomplishment in life was completed the day he got his wife, Erica, to say “I do.” Among his favorite things to do when he’s not at Wildsparq, Hampton lists “watching Erica do what she loves” at the very top (she’s a photographer, by the way). To meet Hampton is to know Hampton, and to know Hampton is to love Hampton. He’s fun, funny, happy, laid back, and willing to do whatever it takes to make sure his hair looks perfect in any and all situations.
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Quotes
“There was a study done which said, 75 % of people what they wanted from a leader, was someone that was others focused and inwardly sound. But what we think is the guy or girl that can stand in front of a room and fire everybody up or the one that gets all the top talent and everything. And all those things are great. But I think where we typically see other people fail is they are they're really focused on themselves.”
"Their charisma is a ten out of ten and their character's a five. And that might have been me in that was me in college. I had no problem talking in front of a group of people. I had no problem getting fired up and casting a vision for my fraternity or whatever group it was. I had no problem with helping leading worship at church because I knew all the right answers. But what was deep down inside of me was actually all just for me. And so just to briefly jump into some of my story, I realized halfway through college that I was just trying to build my own kingdom. And when some of that actually started to happen, when I started to get some of the things that I wanted, I wasn't very happy.”
Takeaways from the interview
What qualities in a leader to you desire to emulate?
How can you choose character development over outward recognition today?
What can be done to re-evaluate your decision making process? Make it more values driven?
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Transcript of Episode #113
Hi, welcome into the men are forged podcast. I got a great yesterday and those who have followed me know I get really excited about this is I've got an Alabama guy on NFL a podcaster a local podcaster you know, I just like I'm so jacked up about this whole like idea of collaboration and, and just knowing somebody's close go into the struggle with me. And so anyway, his name is Hampton Dortch Hampton. It's great to have you and Buddy. And it is an honor to be here. And we're gonna have to get some feedback from the audience on whose mic they like more, probably. Yeah.
I don't know. I've got the one that's coming in from the side. So it looks kind of cool. But I don't know, your sounds pretty good.
The snowball, you know, yeah. So as podcast is wake up and lead for those. I mean, I love the way it looks on Spotify. Anyway, I should just go check out his podcast, give him a couple of five stars, some ratings. I mean, as someone who is grinding away at the podcasting thing, I just want to commend you, Hampton, you're doing a great job. And so yeah, my first question is really off of that. So what do you what have you enjoyed most about this process of starting and growing a podcast?
Well, this is I feel like this is a common line that you may hear from a question like this, but I'm, I'm learning a ton, like a lot of people, I feel like when they put themselves out there, that kind of excuses like, Oh, I'm doing this for me. But yeah, I get that. And, of course, I want to help other people. There's been some awesome opportunities. Through the company, I worked for a wild spark. Through the podcast, we've gotten some good connections there. But really, it's just given me a chance to meet some really incredible people, some executive for some organizations, some coaches and consultants, and really even some mentors to where I know that I may look back in five years from now and say, My voice was kind of high back then. And you sound like an idiot. But up to this point, I'm having a blast with it. So it has been fantastic. And the message is, you know, when you make a podcast for anyone thinking about doing this, some of the advice people say is don't make it too broad. I've probably done that, because there's a lot of leadership podcasts out there. But I would say the message is too similar to yours, Cartwright to the younger folks that are just kind of drifting and waiting for something to happen to them. Wake up and lead like your time is now let's go do it. But then also to the organizations that are just getting crushed by the great resignation right now and can't seem to figure it out and think that having a good culture means having a ping pong table, like to them, it's like, no, no, wake up. Like there are ways to develop your people and empower them. And a good way. I like to do that through wild sparks. So anyways,
yeah, man. So I mean, your first line of your description podcast really stood out to me, because I resonate with this to the person who is coasting early on in their career just waiting for success to happen to them. That's a that is an interesting, I mean, I would say I'm guilty of that as anybody is you wait around and forget that you are the catalyst to your own story. That's the kind of lotto that I say is like, let's get that ball rolling. So yeah, for, for my audience here. And you did hit on like, I do want to give a plug for all wild spark. Here. You're working for another brand here in Birmingham, leadership development. Really powerful, something more than I'm stepping into his adminer Forge, but really cool what you're doing Hampton. So as someone who's like, wants to be aspiring leader, how do they? How do they take that personal ownership? How do they get their own like AMA and add that question ring in?
Yeah, you will never drift to your desired destination. That is not my quote. I've heard that from other people. But like, you just won't. And I am grateful to have some mentors, leaders in my life that have told me that early on. And I think we just get stuck in this cycle of maybe, maybe you crushed it in high school, you're a great leader, you do SGA, you're a good athlete, you're the captain of the team, you go to college, and you're your leadership on campus, and then you just get a job at a bank with nothing. I was looking at a bank, but it's like, okay, well, here's at least the next five years and to give you a manager, so I'll just show up. And I think that's just what so many people do. It's an easy trap to fall into. But one message I have to the executive that has some of those leaders, please give them an opportunity to learn and grow. But now I'm going to put ownership on the 25 year old to say, nobody's going to just give you all the resources but there are tons and tons and tons out there. And even if you You can't find a mentor around your area, which I feel like you probably could, you can learn in the digital age so much from other podcasts from other books and everything like that. And so a big part about wild spark, and a big part of what I'm passionate about is being ready. At wild Spark, we say leaders ready. So yeah, we want to develop the current leaders and managers, but also the future ones as well. So for you who may it maybe you don't have a leadership title, you're a little bit younger. What if you started preparing now and said, hey, just because I don't have a title doesn't mean I'm not a leader. I'm gonna learn first how to lead myself because you can't lead yourself, you can't lead other people. And so that looks like your routines, your habits, your mindset, how you interact with your co workers, maybe even leading up at work, which can be challenging, especially depending on your manager. But there's just all these opportunities. And what you'll see is in a few years when you become a manager, and I'm not even a manager yet, so I'm just maybe assuming this happens is what people told me, you will be ready, as opposed to, you're not just gonna get knighted by your boss with a sword, and then all of a sudden become a great leader. You got to start preparing now.
Yeah, yes. You said, You made me think of the Bible verse. And now my brain is kind of foggy and about it. Anyway, just push through that. So yeah, Hampton. So give me a little bit more your story of when did you first feel that mantle of leadership in your life?
My whole life. And I caveat this with, there are a lot of things that I am, I really struggle with. And maybe we'll make another podcast where I tell you about all my problems. But for now, I will say that my whole life, people would say, Well, I have to You're You're a natural born leader, and my mom would tell me things I can't and you're a leader, people are gonna follow you. It's your decision, where you lead them? Is it? Are you leaving for good? Or are you leaving for bad or for yourself. And so from an early age, I was given some opportunities through sports and choir in school and church, youth group and all of that. And I think it until I was 21 years old, I thought that being a good leader was 100% Your level of charisma. And so it was like, Oh, if
I can fit, you're able to do that still. Right?
Right. And so, you know, what we see in a lot of these churches that have blown up, or companies is these people who have been gifted high levels of charisma, their charisma is a 10 out of 10 other characters of five. And that might have been me in college, that was me in college. Not that I'm a 10 out of town charisma, but like, I had no problem talking in front of groups. In front of a group of people, I had no problem getting fired up and casting a vision for my fraternity or whatever group it was, I had no problem with helping leading worship at church because I knew all the right answers. But what was deep down inside of me was actually all just for me. And so to just to briefly jump into some of my story, I realized halfway through college that I was just trying to build my own kingdom. And when some of that actually started to happen, when I started to get some of the things that I wanted, I wasn't very happy. And I'm grateful to learn that now. Because as I go through my life, even though my old self will come back up, and that will be a challenge to make it all about me. I know where it leads to. And so all that to say, throughout my whole life, to go back to your question, I've been given lots of different leadership opportunities. But there was definitely a moment in college where I said, Oh, man, leadership is about other people being others focused. And we have the best model of that through Jesus himself and that guy talk about that all day long. But
yeah, yeah, that's really good. It's interesting. That point you made is like a constant. And, you know, me, my wife, like binge in some of these shows, especially some of those based and true story. And I liked it. Hollywood's interesting. And anyways, this podcast, I've said this before, but like, these unicorns in these businesses, right, they blow up. But these people in their early 20s or mid 20s, and then by batata, late 30s, the bit they've been kicked out of the business or, and really their success outgrew their character, or their like you're saying their title was ahead of their character. So I mean, it's interesting you talked about and I want to say your first episode, a little bit of your story. I mean, you go check that out. I want to give another plug wake up and lead podcast. Come on. Yeah. But yeah, give us a little bit of just you stepping. Alright, you had that realization kind of middle of college. All right now, how you've reframed what a leader looks like and what how a leader should act. and focus on
my mentor Matt, let her know he's here in Birmingham, he's the CEO of never thirst showed me. He pulled out a napkin at Starbucks the other morning if someone pulls out a napkin, pay attention, you know, so he pulls out a napkin, and he starts writing. And he writes things like being able to cast the vision, being charismatic, being strategic hiring top talent, retaining talent, XY and Z. And he wrote down 10 leadership qualities, he said, What are the most, what are the most important ones? Do you or if you're following someone, like, what are the most important qualities for that person to have? And basically, there was a study that was done, and I can send you this if you want. But basically, it said that 75% of people what they wanted from a leader was someone that was others focused, inwardly sound, others focus and really sound. And so when I saw that, I'm like, oh, that that makes sense. But what we think, is the guy or girl that can stand in front of a room and fire everybody up, or the one that gets all the top talent, and everything, and all those things are great. But I think where we typically see other people fail is they are, they're really focused on themselves. And so to the others focus piece, Matt told me, he said, Hampton, whether it's during your lifetime or not, people will eventually know if your others focused or not. A lot of times, it's even after you're dead and gone, but they realize you were living for yourself. So that will be exposed at some point. So I would just say like, what I've learned is leadership is so much about making it about other people. I mean, some of the best leaders that I know, you wouldn't even know like, what they do, or their title or anything, they just listen, and they care about you. And then the inwardly sound piece. I really can only speak to this from a spiritual standpoint, but it really comes from like, where is my identity is my identity and how much money I make the person that I'm married to, where I live the car, I drive, or is it in Jesus and is my heart available for him. And that then goes into your habits. For me, it's like, on the days that I'm inwardly sound, I'm likely getting up in the morning, and spending time with God and reminding myself that my calling is, doesn't have to be my job title, my calling, is to make disciples of all nations. And however, I live that out, whatever, but like, I think reminding myself of that having the wire that's popular to talk about, but once you get that wire in place, it helps me even be more in really sound and some of my friends family and wife might chuckle as I'm talking about this, because they're like canfin I don't know if you're always inwardly sound, but I'm definitely doing my best.
Well, that's something we're always like, I love I think, yeah, you I've seen you say Wild at Heart is your favorite book. And I love John elder's saying, like, we have to think with the unfinished mindset that we're growing building constantly. We're on, like, the arrival mindset was something in my life that really was just destructive, too strong, or but it was it led to that thinking, well, once I get here, right, once I get this fear, I wanted to get this title. And as a lot what you said is sort of resonate with me is like man, as a leader, if we are a leader to feed our ego. Versus we feel the the humility of the weight of responsibility that God's given us, like, I'm in this role, and because God has given it to me, and there's a humility in that versus my ego, how that can really help. And I in really sound that is such a powerful way to look at it. Because I think that is so true. If I define some of the great leaders in my life, it's like their two feet, wherever they are, you know, I've been around the leaders where it's just like, they're constantly looking past you. It's like they're on and the next thing, versus those great leaders, you know, they know how to take advantage that moment, they know how to embrace the person in front of them, and be to feed in I love that phrase. Anyway, so inwardly focused, that's really powerful. Yeah, I mean, like you said, Jesus, like, wherever he was, that's where he was, right? Yeah, it's fully engaged. So yeah, man. So how did you mean in that? You talked about your why. And we're all kind of on that journey of articulating exactly what that is. So you had for you know, from our audience, how do you unpack that? How do you start discovering that that why so you can step into that role of leadership so that you are others focused? And inwardly sound?
Yeah. Oh, man. Okay, let's, let's see if I can get a good answer here. I mean, I think we often say, God, if you give me this, maybe you don't say it but you Don't be thinking God will if you give me that job, or if you give me that house, or if you give me that girl, then I'll be good. And then I can live for you. Like, I don't think that I would ever, like verbally say that. But that's my heart a lot of times. Right now, I'm looking for a house, I've got an inspection today, wish me luck. But I'm like, God, just let this come through like, and I think really, when it comes to finding your why, quote, it's your why is to be an image bearer of God. That's why He created you. And that's why you have lungs. And so when you can rest in that, and know that. I mean, your your purpose is to serve him. I think four things fall into place. That's not the answer that people always want to hear. But I haven't found peace until I recognize that. And I think it goes back to that daily reminder, because we have ever wandering hearts, and we run away daily, because our flesh is pulling us away. So just reminding that you are created by God. And then I think, just deciding like, what what am I passionate about what gets me fired up. I mean, there's practical things, whether you're a believer or not of writing out your personal mission statement for your life, your one year, five year 10 year goals, some of the core values that you're going to have for you and your family, building some habits and structures in your life. I mean, I bet that doesn't mean that you're necessarily going to get your dream job. But I think things like that are what helps you find that why,
right? Yeah, you have to live life to find out why Absolutely. You're not going to get it waiting around. What was the first quote you said about making?
You'll never drift to your desired destination? Yes, you will never drift,
the intentionality that belief. I am the tip of the spear. You know, I'm not just some blunt object walking around. So let's jump back in your story. Hampton. I'm really curious. So what was your decision process? leaving college? I know you jumped into wild spark. So help, you know, for my listeners, especially you jumped in during COVID? I want to say, so what how, you know, what were the hard parts about that? And what did you learn through that process? And, and really, and why you've stuck around with wild spark.
So for the 2025 3035 year old listening to this, or whoever, someone challenged me that said, they said Hampton go, where you are going to grow the most like, where are you going to grow the most, it is an investment. So for me, I said my least first two years out of college, if my CEOs listen to this, I know I don't want to work for free. But I'm like, I might as well work for free, I just want to learn and write. So I was praise the Lord for this, I was interning at Wild spark at the time. And just learning a ton about building a business, we had eight people and now we have 20. So we're growing fast. I'm seeing what a real good culture looks like. And like I said, that's, that's not a ping pong table and expression machines. That's a company that has a mission statement and vision statement and core values that everyone knows a boss that knows your spouse and your children, things like that. So I saw that. And so basically, it was a no brainer. I said, I have to work here. Well, COVID happened. And so there was there's all another story of of there, it was a little iffy, if there was going to be like a spot opened up. But thankfully, I ended up at Wild spark. And it is paid off tremendously. And I think it will continue to because I'm just learning. And so I think a lot of times we want the finished product, we say well, I want like you look at what you want in five years. And so you just try to, I guess do that now for me, it's like, I know that all the things that I'm learning right now are preparing me for life. And whatever is next was with wild spark for a super long time or something different. And so I just think we always need to be learning, or doing where am I going to grow the most. So Josh Atrus incredible leader. Here's the first episode of my podcast, he used to work at Wild spark. But he talks about how there is so much information out there on your phone and books and everything. And so we become what we consume, we become what we consume. And so if you're on Netflix all the time and scrolling on your phone, that that's not necessarily going to be helpful. So let's be mindful of what are we consuming? What are we putting into our minds? How are we spending our time and those things are definitely going to be what what, what leads to you learning and growing whether because maybe you're in a job right now and you're okay, that's great. And your company does leadership development and your CEO praise before every meeting. I don't have that. If you don't have that. That's okay. I think there's still opportunities for you to find mentors and other growing opportunities.
You hit Something that's really good that I wish I had that mindset. And you right? Because I think sometimes we come out of college and the first thing we think is security. We think that in the context of money, health insurance, but you had that, I mean, it's like, if you don't know your, your overall, why maybe you got to start with like a smaller purpose, which for you it was I just want to learn, and I think this is the best place for me to learn. Because this is where I want to be the thought of being a business leader, business owner, whatever. And I will learn a lot here. And that's so powerful. And I wish I could like grab every 22 year old and say, think this way. Learn, you got to learn how to like find the place where you can grow in a paycheck. Don't worry about it, because right now you don't need much you. Right. So But Granny, you were getting married though, too. So there's, there's that little added pressure, right? Yeah.
I think my wife was like, Hey, you better make some money.
Yeah, so get so I was I'm curious Hampton. Now you look back at your four years at college at Stanford. For those who don't know that, that's the Harvard of the South, apparently. So not that I went there. My wife went there. So I'll say that. But what would you tell like an 18 year old 19 year old in college that's like how to fully take advantage of their experience, because I feel like there's something being amiss. It's all about grades and making that next step and having life figured out by 25. So
Oh, my goodness, I think sometimes people think now that like, Oh, you must have been like doing XY and Z in college and I I was very involved on campus and had a lot of good opportunities through my fraternity and, you know, doing campus tours and things in campus ministry, but also wasted a colossal amount of time. And I think there's an element of college like, it's fun, it's your first time out of the house, you make friends? Sure, play Xbox, with your friends, like, do that stuff. But if I mean, if I could go back? Well, the first area that I'm I would work harder on is in the classroom, I don't, I am working where I want to work. So not I wouldn't work harder there to necessarily have a different job, but to defeat the fixed mindset that I once had and still struggle with. What I mean by that is there's a amazing book called Mindset by Carol Dweck. And she talks about the difference between a growth mindset and a fixed mindset. I only wanted to do things I was really good at. And so I felt like in school, I was like, Oh, well, if I don't try as hard as I can, I know, I'm not as smart as my friends. So if I don't try as hard as I can, and I excel and other things, then I'll be able to make an excuse for why my grades aren't that good. Because if I try as hard as I can, then and they're still not as good as everyone else, then I have no excuse. And that is a extremely toxic mindspace. My place to be in also don't compare yourself to other people anyways, but so I would do that. But then also just there are so many, wherever you go to college, so many organizations, so many things to get involved with. And I learned so much about leadership and leading myself and managing my time and managing my schedule. And there's opportunities where, like, What's crazy is no one tells you, you know, you may be in a leadership role in your fraternity or campus ministry, but then you're going to graduate college and likely not have a leadership title for at least a couple of years, if not more. And so you kind of go from like, on top of the world to low man. And so I think, embrace those times and enjoy them. And let that be a catalyst for Hey, even when you get your first job, even though you don't have a title, think about those leadership principles you are learning. And then and then continue to build on them, even if you don't have a title there.
Yeah, that's great. So Hansen, you're you're with, you're with the leadership development organization, you have a leadership podcast, you interview some great leaders from different industries all over and I know you're a consumer of books and content, just follow Hampton on LinkedIn. And he'll give you a lot of like, just great little nuggets from stuff he's learned. And so from what have you, you've consumed Give me what are some daily practices that leaders do that you've incorporated and that you really admire?
So another guest See, this is why I should do a podcast because I basically every answer is something I've learned from doing my own. Teddy Mitropoulos. He's number two, the second episode that I have, he said that he has what he calls non negotiables. And every day he has a non negotiable for his mind, body and soul. And so he said that every day I'm going to do something active. I'm going to pray and I'm going to read a book and he says that might be Two minutes of stretching a quick prayer and reading a page of a book. But what he's mastered is the art of showing up. And so last night, I was exhausted. And I hadn't read a page of the book that I'm reading right now. And so I was like, you know, I just got to read a page. And what that did is, it didn't like, it's all about building habits and routines. And so I am like freakishly obsessed with habits. I think you've just got to figure out what are those non negotiables for you? And, you know, I'm a bit I'm a 5am. Guy, I know sometimes, oh, hustle culture, all this, that and the other? Well, my challenge is typically, what are you doing from 10 to midnight? Are you watching Netflix? If you're doing that you're not going to be able to get up at 5am? Of course, you're not. So I just think that if I can wake up in the morning, and when the morning through spending time with my heavenly Father, who created me, who gave me breath in my lungs, and then likely doing something active, it sets me up to win the day. So I mean, those are those are definitely the two things that are non negotiables.
Yeah, that's great. So I mean, give me a leader that you admire Hampton, somebody who may be current or historical or just even personal to you.
Okay, let's see. I'll start with Miles Fidel. He's the pastor of my church over and Community Church.
Yeah. are great things. Yeah, yes,
he's the man. And there's a location here in Birmingham, but he started our Community Church when he was 25. So basically my age, he definitely has a lot of things that he has learned. But this church is growing really quickly. But what I admire about him is he has an opportunity if he wants to, to probably make this church absolutely explode. And he said, I'm not going to copy and paste what every other really big church in America has done nothing against any of those. But he goes, like, I wasn't trying to start a location in Birmingham, you guys just forced it. You all started watching together, so we're not going to ignore you. I wasn't trying to start this in Huntsville. So his humility and knowing that, like, it's not all about numbers, and just his availability to really just preach the Word of God. And he says something similar to another pastor I love from Redeemer here in Birmingham, Joe Brooks, every prayer before his sermon, it's gotta be Bay, my words fall to the ground and blow away. But would your words remain? And would they change us? And so I think I think miles does that really well, too. So him. Cory Tao is the Vice President of Operations at Wild spark. He came into our business a year ago and has in that time, we probably were taking a few steps back, but I believe we are going to launch forward because of what he does. His ability to lead clients success, marketing, product engineering, and sales and go from meeting to meeting to meeting from different departments and hear everyone talk about their problems, but be where his feet are, blows my mind. And Cory is the definition of an integrator, you know, like, he gets things done. If you say, hey, we need to do this. It's gonna get done. And so he doesn't have to be the guy standing up in the front of the room casting vision all the time. He just instead of casting vision, he just figures out what the vision is. And then goes and does it. Yeah. And then the last guy because this guy is like my idol. Rich Froning CrossFit goat? He has,
yes. Oh, yeah. I was like, I knew that name. Yeah, yes.
I try not to talk about CrossFit a lot. People make fun of CrossFitters and say, How do you know if some of those CrossFit and then the answer is don't worry, they'll tell you. So here I am telling you I do CrossFit. Sorry, but that guy is he's a monster. I love watching the way that he's led, like his team that just won the CrossFit Games for like, however many years in a row and the man just grinds. So I want to, I want to look like him. And I want to be like him, too. So there's a couple.
Yeah, I mean, the little study I've done that may sounds like he's hands up above everybody else. And what is his ability?
Yeah, there's, there's another guy, Matt Fraser, who's as far as his accolades. He's weighing up there too. But I mean, Rich's. He's the guy. I mean, he's, he's awesome. And he loves Jesus to
about that. That's great. All right. So Hampton, just give me it's interesting. It is, most great leaders I've been around is they're really good at defining success day to day. It's, it's an evolving thing. So how do you I mean, how do you define success regularly?
I may need some humility to ask you this question in return because I'm gonna try and work on that. I think something I really want to grow in is time blocking my day and like power, like prioritization and saying, Hey, what are the three most important things that I need to get done today? I am a so there's, there's this matrix called the Eisenhower matrix. Yeah, dude, I'm a sucker for the bottom left, which is, which are things that are urgent and not important, like a text message of just something that's meaningless. The reason is because I love checking off like little task. It's like a dopamine hit. But a lot of times, I am avoiding the big thing, the big priority, because I'm scared to get started. And Rich didn't come up with this. But Rich Froning has a brand called into the storm, he owns bison. And he talks about how there's this analogy of the bison and the cow. And when the there's a storm coming out in this place in Colorado, the cows run away, and that they maximize their time that they're in the storm, because they're avoiding whatever the you know, for us avoiding the big thing. And it just makes it worse. The Bison or the bulls, whatever they are, they turn and run into the storm and run through it. And maybe they're in it for a minute. But they're they're out of it a lot quicker. And so I'm not doing that right now. But I know the right answer, and I'm trying to say what's the big thing I got to work on? And let me just knock it out.
Right? And I've come to find out and my list of failures that generally God, you know, he allows the storm and what he's doing, he's putting his finger on something. And he's saying is once we figure this out, once we once you turn and look at that storm, well, we'll get through a lot quicker. So yeah, you're right. It's good. Well, Hanson, I appreciate you coming on. Man. I would love you just give a plug for more. Yeah, where people can find you, and you know how they can really consume more of your content?
Well, I, I'm one of the rare people that's like, I'm not really on social media, except for LinkedIn. Usually, it's the opposite for people. I'm all over LinkedIn, I post like a fifth grade girl if you don't want to see that. Don't follow me. But I'm sharing just what I'm learning along the way. One of my favorite things to do is on Fridays, I push to fail Friday because I fail more than I succeed. So follow me there, shoot me a message. And then with wild Spark, if you're in any sort of position of thinking for a group of people in your organization, we have built up a system or strategy to help develop not only current but future leaders as well. And also a great resource to learn about learning and growing as a leader is this podcast Cartwright the man we've just met today, but excited to learn more from him.
Well, Hampton, I appreciate it. Man. It was great having you love your energy. Super excited for where your podcast is going. Because I know you're in the early days, but man you are rocking it. So really excited about
it. So we'll see if I can make it through episode 10. Apparently everyone falls off the wagon there so I appreciate it.
Yeah, I think I think you got it. I think you're, you're headed in the right direction.
We'll see. Thanks for having me. Cartwright. Absolutely.
